Nominate @illdefined

[snaakey]

I would like to nominate @illdefined for commit access. They have been very actively contributing and are trying to push things forward.

Stats:

• 113 PRs merged
• 168 PRs reviewed

[pilz0]

i agree with emily!

[pbsds]

There is currently no active commit bit delegation nor nixpkgs core team, so this application will unfortunately have to sit for a bit until we get our procedures in order. In the meanwhile, I updated the old committer-progress.sh with more queries:

	#	# excluding @r-ryantm
PRs authored	144	N/A
PRs authored & merged	113	N/A
PRs reviewed	177	133
PRs otherwise commented	46	35
PRs otherwise involved	61	41
Issues authored	1	N/A
Issues otherwise commented	12	N/A
Issues otherwise involved	7	N/A

^{Generated with https://gist.github.com/pbsds/7af827a53c103cd3d40902f9b0b21843.}

[isabelroses]

good interaction with them. would be happy to see them with a commit bit

[Fuxmoder]

only good contributions from @illdefined, i approve this

[jemand771]

I know it's a bit hypocritical because I've done the exact thing in the past¹, but @LennyPenny @derf @katjakwast, would you mind (very briefly) commenting the reason for your 👎 reactions? drive-by downvotes aren't helpful and generally suck for the nominee²

Footnotes

1. Source of my newfound empathy: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-committers/pull/103#issuecomment-4133563079 ↩

2. i.e. leaves room for speculation: "Do they think I'm not good enough, do they just not like me, was this a missclick, ...?" ↩

[piegamesde]

I can't speak for others, but I know that illdefined is not on best personal terms with quite a few people, because of things that happened mostly outside of NixOS, but there is always overlap between communities

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Edit: "not on best personal terms" is quite an euphemism: https://chaos.social/@marble/117293379629083841. I know of at least one confirmed person in the NixOS community who knew Michael as a minor

[snaakey]

I would like to point out that this PR is about determining if the nominee is capable of judging if a contribiution to nixpkgs is ready to be merged or not and act accordingly. For that the nominee needs to be experienced with nix, nixpkgs and the nixpkgs contribution guidelines.

I think that @illdefined is well capable of juding the quality of a contribution and always offers valuable advice for improvements.

I don't think that someones dating patterns or personal conflicts should be a relevant metric in measuring their technical competence.

[pbsds]

Committers are trusted members of Nixos, and do in some capacity act as representatives. If technical excellence truly was the sole requirement for the commit bit, then we could've had a written exam instead of this public application and vouching process.

[riotbib]

@piegamesde:

Edit: "not on best personal terms" is quite an euphemism: https://chaos.social/@marble/117293379629083841. I know of at least one confirmed person in the NixOS community who knew Michael as a minor

I do also know at least two people who fit this criteria.

I was previously a committer but asked for removal of that right because I was not using it enough.

I stand in opposition of this nomination.

@snaakey:

I would like to point out that this PR is about determining if the nominee is capable of judging if a contribiution to nixpkgs is ready to be merged or not and act accordingly.

@pbsds: Edit: thanks for clarifying, I misunderstood your comment.

If technical excellence truly was the sole requirement for the commit bit

For both: We currently do not have written requirements to become a committer apart from the process that is being followed right now and right here. Thus there are no requirements that state it's only about technical skills.

Trust as a concept is build through human interaction and not a direct result of the work put into tech.

@snaakey:

I don't think that someones dating patterns or personal conflicts should be a relevant metric in measuring their technical competence.

The accusations are grooming of underage people.

[riotbib]

Two additional points:

1. Under German criminal law it may be illegal for anyone, especially for survivors of abuse, to comment publicly in issues like these. See: § 186 StGB. This may be a reason why people asked to explain their opposition did not speak up.

2. Mikael Voss was kicked out of NixCon 2024 because of complaints, an organiser of the conference told me.

[cyber-murmel]

I would recommend to deny @illdefined any authority in your community project - even just over deciding whose commits pass - as it enables the behavior describe in my posts.

https://chaos.social/@marble/117293379629083841

i refrain from describing my personal interactions with them here, for the reasons mentioned by @riotbib.
lets just say they differ from @pbsds @pilz0, @isabelroses and @Fuxmoder.

edit: wrong tab completion

[pbsds]

I'll spend a ping just to clarify: I have not expressed support for this nomination. In #125 (comment) I imply opposition.